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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:04 am 
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1: I don't know, I haven't tried, I don't have much experience with dead bodies. If you do, then I concede that is impossible, however, it's a video game, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate.

2: Once again, I don't have much experience with dead bodies, but rolling one onto its side with the backpack propping it up doesn't seem that hard to me. If it is, then okay, I'm wrong.

3: Alright, I must be stupid, explain slowly why the weight of a human being is or is not important here, because I don't see what you're getting at. First you say humans are too heavy, but I say we aren't picking anybody up, and your comment now seems to reinforce that, if that's the situation, why are we still talking about how we can't just pick someone up off the ground?


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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:37 am 
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I don't know, it just doesn't seem very practical to me.
I mean, if you're crouched behind a body that is sideways and HALF of your body is open to the enemy, that half mostly your upper torso and head, They're not going to be aiming for your legs. Plus if they're standing, they have a higher position to shoot you from which would end up in them probably not even hitting the body. Seeing that most the time your pretty close to enemies during a firefight when it gets really intense, a body wouldn't help you because they'd be like "HerpaDerp I'm 10 Feet away, let me just shoot you in the face" I don't know...I really can't see this working.

I'm also pretty sure that not one soldier in the game is wearing a backpack so I have no idea where you got that from.

and to answer #3: The weight of the body was only important if you were talking about using him as like a meatshield like in Gears of War, which you stated you're not doing. In my comment if you had done what I actually said, which is read, You'd notice I said it would only be the case if you were standing with the body in front of you trying to lift it up. It was a response to when you said "Where in that Scenario does a person need to pick up 200lbs of dead man?"

You don't need experience with dead bodies to understand this. It's common sense that you're side isn't FLAT.

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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:30 pm 
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But we crouch to make ourselves smaller targets, we stand behind rocks that don't cover all of us. If they're taking an aimed shot, a reinforced bunker wall with a slit to shoot through won't help you either, but we still use them, because not everyone is putting every round where they want it to go.

Yes, your side is flat, but I can lie on my side, a person has arms, and legs that keep them from rolling over, plus there are rocks, guns, whatever is there.

Okay, so the discussion about weight is meaningless, and the entire point of it for the past several posts has been to ask why the other person is still talking about it? Because that's why I've been mentioning it, and apparently why you've been mentioning it. If that's the case, don't respond to this statement, it's only confusing us, and we seem to have reached an impasse.


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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:54 am 
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You're not falling over on your side because you are balancing something a dead person can't do because THEY'RE DEAD. You obviously can lay on your side if you try, but rolling a body over, there's only a slight chance you'll keep them up perfectly.

I like how you want to have the last comment about weight. Instead of saying "Oh okay" You decide to further say how meaningless it is and how we should stop mentioning it. Yet you're still mentioning it. So I'll stop talking about it. After this post.

And the rocks are large enough to give you good cover and bullets arn't going to go through the rock. You can't compare hiding behind a body and hiding in a reinforced bunker shooting out of a slit. Your exposed completely differently in that situation. So obviously the only way to hit someone in a slit you'd need to take a aimed shot. You really don't need to aim if they're entire upper torso and head are exposed to you.
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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:57 am 
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I can see you really hate this idea, guy, so, I'll go ahead and give it to you that it's a bad one that shouldn't be incorporated in the game, I thought it'd be fun, I was wrong.

But, I'm going to continue arguing the point, because I'm stubborn, and I assume you are too, for the sake of just winning the argument.

Thus, the continuation of the argument.

Have you ever rolled anything on it's side? Things don't always immediately roll back over to the largest base. I can put an apple on its side, I can put a cup on it's side, and they won't immediately right themselves. So, why is it impossible to put a body on it's side, pull the arm out in front, and prop it up?

While a bullet can go through a body, it won't always. In fact, I'd bet that most of the time, when shot, a bullet won't go all the way through, and continue at a high enough velocity afterwards to significantly hurt a person. And yes, I know a bunker is safer than a body, that's not the point I was making. I was saying that just because something doesn't make one completely immune to enemy fire, doesn't mean it's useless. A body is a little two foot barricade, it won't stop aimed shots, but it makes you a smaller target, and the chance of it stopping a stray bullet that would have hit you in the leg, or a burst fired too low, makes it a whole lot more useful than just standing there.


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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:34 pm 
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Ok how about we consider all the points. Firstly i think the fun factor is highly debatable to the point where it probably shouldn't be included as many (as in not a minority) would hate it if implemented why people who want it wouldn't hate that it's not implemented.

Secondly as for the feasibility of it in real life I think that yes it would be possible to attempt to use a body as cover but the fact that single bodies are not and don't have a long history of use. To debate this further is just wasting everyones time. If you can find some historical examples then it would be interesting but otherwise no.

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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:51 pm 
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Foamy wrote:
Ok how about we consider all the points. Firstly i think the fun factor is highly debatable to the point where it probably shouldn't be included as many (as in not a minority) would hate it if implemented why people who want it wouldn't hate that it's not implemented.

Secondly as for the feasibility of it in real life I think that yes it would be possible to attempt to use a body as cover but the fact that single bodies are not and don't have a long history of use. To debate this further is just wasting everyones time. If you can find some historical examples then it would be interesting but otherwise no.


It's been done, I know that, and without googling it (Because I don't think I want multiple searches about dead bodies in a couple of days... Just call me paranoid, but meh. So, my resources are limited, and my sources are non-existant or bad.). But, examples from history are in Thermopylae, they were used for a wall, my source being the movie 300 (I feel bad for citing that...), and during one of the campaigns in Africa, British military used bodies to supplement their sand bags, my source is here-say. In addition the countless scenarios where it would be done at a tactical level, but not been documented, and made available to the public.


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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:58 pm 
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Foamy wrote:
single bodies


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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:00 pm 
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Foamy wrote:
Foamy wrote:
single bodies


:P


You're right, I didn't catch that, so only this part of my statement applies:

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In addition the countless scenarios where it would be done at a tactical level, but not been documented, and made available to the public.


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 Post subject: Re: Bodies for cover
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:05 pm 
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Well if no one can find even a single reported mention of it happening or happening and not working or an experts opinion then the discussion can go no further.

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